No Firewire playback on Premiere Pro

John,

I'm moving this to a more appropriate place (Desktop Video General), where you should get a much better response.

But, can you please comment there, adding the missing info I've detailed below.

First, you need to clarify whether your PC is a Tiny (no, that's not clear, your posting is ambiguous).

Second, please let us know the exact model of your JVC. We had MASSIVE problems getting the two early JVC DV decks - the HR-DVS1 and HR-DVS2 - working with editing PCs.

If yours is one of these, I strongly suspect you are scuppered. Hopefully, though, it will be an HR-DVS3, and it will simply be that you've got some setting wrong on the JVC (which is VERY easy to do, in my experience!).

Also, is your JVC known to work the way you want with other editing packages and have you tried any of these on the PC you are using to see if the facility to import via FireWire is still there with these programs?

Oh, and if yours is NOT a recent Tiny PC, please let us know the make and model, what Windows XP Service Packs you have installed (ie SP1 or SP2 beta), what version of Direct X you are running and whether you have done all the critical updates for XP.

Bob C

Bob,

Thanks for your answer. First, my computer is not a Tiny, but I had it made by a local shop of PC Club based on the Tiny in your article somewhat. It has an ASUS SK8N motherboard, and an AMD Athalon FX 53 CPU with 2 gigabites of Corsair RAM and 3 hard drives (1 system and 2 in a RAID 0 250 gigs) and a GForce 256 video card, running XP Pro. Actually, I just got delivery 2 weeks ago and the XP came with Service Pack 1A and I have not done any updates since I got it.

The JVC is HR-DVS3U and I got it about 2 years ago, but I never used it to try playbacks because frankly, I didn't know I could until I read the Tiny article.
You are right, that the supposed playback option on Encore I also have won't work either.
I have read the JVC manual over several times, and tried a few different configurations, but so far no go.
I would appreciate any help.As an aside, not that I am an exert, but I have looked at a lot of periodicals and Computer Video is at the top of what I have seen in 64 years. Thanks,
John Rich

Evening John.

New to the Forum. New to Premiere Pro (only arrived via UPS yesterday). Have used Ulead MSP until now.

I own an JVC HR-DVS3. After reading your post I thought it a good idea to check that I could see video via Prem/JVC to my external monitor (portable colour TV). I never had a problem displaying the output from MSP 7 - Print to tape option.

Using the JVC remote, I selected "F1" via the +/- PR button and can see the output sent via Premiere. It did take a second or 3 before the output was displayed, so if you are going through the L1, L2 & F1 selections, give the JVC time to catch up with the Firewire output before moving on.

Hope this helps. Regards.

Evening Grey,

Thanks for your reply. I was able to move to F1 and the portable TV I am using is connected to the output Svideo on the back of the deck with two of the RCA wires(sound ones) connected between deck and TV. The TV works with capture which is displayed on the computer monitor, but when I capture a clip and then try to play it back from time line, the timeline only plays if I have desktop only selected from project settings. The timeline doesn't move if I have either just external or both desktop and external selected.
I have direct x 9.0 installed. I was wondering if there were other things with the JVC I am missing, 1.The manual suggests a special firewire for the deck which I am not using. Do you have that? 2. I have the DV button pushed and the DUB arrow for DV pushed. OK? 3. Is there any other internal setting I am missing?
Sorry to bother you again. I actually tried the JVC tech support, but in spite of being courteous, it didn't help.

John

Morning Ron.

As I said in my first post. I am new to Premiere (really new). I only received/installed it yesterday. But had read your post about not being able to display the output on your monitor. I use an external Portable to monitor the video too, so thought I had better find out if I can display Premiere's output!

At first, all I got was a blank screen. But then went to the help menu and using a combination of that and viewing via "F1" (selected via the HR-DVS3 remote), I could see the output. The only front panel selections on the deck is the "DV" light illuminated (no DUB or anything else).

The Premiere help mentions no special Firewire cable. (I was unaware there were any modified ones ... But nothing suprises me in the DV world).

You have probably read this a thousand times, but hope you don't mind me quoting what the help file suggests:

"You can display the sequence on any monitor connected to your computer. Previewing on another monitor requires video hardware that provides an appropriate video port for the preview monitor. Some video-editing cards and operating-system software products support a preview monitor independent of the desktop, and others support a preview monitor that is contiguous with the desktop so that it can also function as additional space for windows and palettes. See the documentation that came with your video-editing card and operating-system software.

If you're editing a DV project, you can preview the sequence on a television monitor via your IEEE 1394 connection and DV camcorder or VCR. You can set up this option using Adobe Premiere Pro's built-in settings.

To preview on a monitor via a DV camera or deck:

Choose Project > Project Settings > General, and click the Playback Settings button.

For Video Playback, check Play Video on DV Hardware if you want to preview video through the DV device to a television monitor. Video still appears in the Program view, but may look staggered. Leave the option unchecked to view video in the Monitor window only.

For Audio Playback, choose the options you want:
Play Audio on DV Hardware previews audio through the DV device to external speakers only.

Play Audio on Audio Hardware plays the audio through the computer's hardware and speakers. This includes external speakers connected to your computer's sound card only.

Play Audio on Audio Hardware While Scrubbing, when checked, plays the audio through the computer's hardware when you drag the current-time indicator in the Timeline window, use the Program view's jog disk or shuttle slider, or drag its current-time indicator.

For Real-Time Effects, choose an option:
Playback on DV Hardware and Desktop displays real-time playback on both the computer's monitor and through a DV device to a television monitor.

Playback on Desktop Only displays real-time playback on the computer's monitor only.
For Export to Tape, choose an option:
Play Audio on DV Hardware plays audio through the DV device when exporting.

Play Audio on Audio Hardware plays audio through the computer's hardware and speakers during export.

There can be a slight delay between the playback on the desktop and the playback on a television via a camcorder/VCR. If the video and audio seem out of sync, try to preview both video and audio through the same device".

Once again, I hope this helps, and you can get to the bottom of this problem. Regards.

Grey,

Thanks again for your detailed note. Unfortunately, I still cannot get the playback to work. I hooked up my video camera (old, so no video in) to the deck and it does play into the deck and TV nicely, so I assume that part of the deck works. I found this site http://www.jvc.ca/en/consumer/service/faq.asp
but since I apparantly already installed the deck,automatically, (which device manager says is successfully installed). Unfortunately, the JVC site says there are two parts to the installation and I don't know how to get back to the install wizard successfully to install, the second part. Sorry to bother you again, but I was wondering if you or anyone else could help here. Thanks,
John

Morning John,

Sorry to hear you are still having snags.

I think the 2nd part of the installation JVC mentioned is the "install tuner" part.

For example, say you had a Fresh install of your OS. Then plug the JVC into the Firewire socket of the PC. XP then detects, and installs the drivers. Followed by the "New Hardware Install Wizard" for the JVC Tuner. I followed the prompts for this once, XP said it couldnt find any drivers for the tuner (when the "Install Automatically" option was selected). So I selected the "Connect to the Internet and find it". Which it couldn't! So I never bothered - I dont need the Tuner anyway! So I dont think thats your Problem John.

Only three things I can think off. (Four if you include a reformat and re-install of your OS)!

1. Do you have a Restore Point you can roll back to prior to your troubles starting?

2. Go to Device Manager, and select "remove" to get the JVC out of the list. Reboot and when back in the OS, plug the JVC back in to the Firewire socket. See what the OS does?

3. Just a thought. Have you tried another Firewire cable? Just in case.

My suspicion is that if someone can give John a step-by-step walkthrough of what settings to make on the JVC, that these will resolve his problems.

Anyone?

Bob C

I'm not sure what the protocol is here, but I wanted to thank everybody for helping get my system up and running using the JVC tape deck. I finally had to have a computer expert reinstall Windows and add in a new bios for the motherboard and new drivers, but now I can play back in real time from the Premiere Pro time line to an external TV through the firewire. It's like having a Matrox card without the card(of course no transitions, etc.) Also, Encore will play back the still version of the Menu editor, but for some reason After effects still fails to cooperate.
Thanks to the editors for suggesting the AMD processor and Grey for the setting ideas on the deck.
John Rich